I certify that the following text is the absolute truth and no work of fiction. These are parts of a transcript of an interview that I made with a non-human and reptilian being in December 1999. This female being had already been in contact with a friend of mine (whose name is only given with the abbreviation E.F. in the text) for a few months. Let me declare that I was all my life a sceptic about UFOs, aliens and other weird things, and I thought that E.F. was just telling me dreams or fictitious stories when he told me about his first contacts with the non-human being “Lacerta”. I was still a sceptic when I met this being on December 16 last year (1999) in that small warm room in the remote house of my friend near a town in the South of Sweden, despite the fact that I actually was seeing with my very eyes that she was not human. She told me and showed to me so many unbelievable things during that meeting that I cannot deny the reality and the truth of her words any longer. This is not another of those untrue UFO papers which claim to tell the truth but in fact just tell fiction. I am convinced that this transcript contains the very truth, and that therefore you should read it.
I had spoke with her for over 3 hours, so the following transcript only shows shortened parts of the interview, because after the interview she asked me not to publish all of what she had told me. The order of the questions in this transcript is not always the same order in which I asked them, so it may sometimes seem a little bit confusing to you. It was not easy to delete all the important parts she had asked me to delete from the transcript, so I apologise for the maybe unusual order. I am in the possession of the entire transcript of the interview (49 pages with some of my drawings of her body and her equipment) and also of some tapes on which I have the full interview, but I will not reveal this before I have permission from her. I will send this shortened form of the still fascinating document to four of my reliable friends in Finland, Norway, Germany and France and I hope they will translate it into their own languages and into other languages and I hope as many people as possible will be able to read and to understand the transcript. If you receive it, please send it to all your friends via e-mail or make print-outs and copy them.
I furthermore certify that various “paranormal” abilities of her species, such as telepathy and telekinesis (including the moving and dancing of my pencil on the table without touching it, and the flying of an apple some 40 centimetres over her hands) were shown to me during the 3 hours and 6 minutes of the meeting and I am absolutely sure that these abilities were no tricks. The following is certainly difficult to understand and to believe for someone who hasn’t experienced it, but I was really in contact with her mind and I am now completely sure that everything she said during the interview is the absolute truth about our world.
Unfortunately, if I read the entire transcript and (much more) this very shortened form by myself, I have the strong impression that everything I have written sounds too unbelievable to be true, that everything sounds more like a bad science fiction story from TV or cinema; and I have doubts that anyone will believe my experiences. But they are true, you believe it or not. I cannot expect from you that you believe my simple words without evidence, but I cannot give you that evidence. Please read the transcript and think about it and you will maybe see the truth in this words.
There will be a new meeting between me and her (again in the same house in Sweden) on April 23, 2000 and she promised me to give me maybe some evidence of her existence. In the meantime, I collect questions which I will ask her then. Maybe she gives me permission to reveal more of the missing parts in that transcript and about the coming war.
Believe it or not, this makes no real difference (but I hope you will believe).
Ole K. – January 8, 2000
TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW N°1(shortened form)
December 16, 1999
Question: First of all, who are you and what are you? Are you an extraterrestrial species or can your origin be found on this planet?
Answer: As you can see with your own eyes, I am not a human being like you and to be honest I’m no real mammal (despite my partly mammal-like body features, which are a result of evolution). I’m a female reptile being, belonging to a very old reptilian race. We are the native Terrans and we have been living on that planet for millions of years. We are mentioned in your religious writings such as your Christian Bible; and many of the ancient human tribes were aware of our presence and worshipped us as gods, for example the Egyptians and the Inca, and many other old tribes.
Your Christian religion misunderstood our role in your creation, so we are mentioned as an “evil snake” in your writings. This is wrong. Your race was genetically engineered by aliens and we were just more or less passive observers of this accelerated evolution process. You must know (some of your scientists have already supposed this) that your species had evolved at a speed completely impossible in a normal natural way, within just 2–3 millions of years. This is absolutely impossible, because evolution is a much slower process if it is done naturally; but you have not yet understood this. Your creation was artificial and done by genetic engineering, not by us but by an alien species. If you ask me if I am an extraterrestrial, I must answer no. We are native Terrans. We had and have colonies in the solar system, but we originate on this planet. This is in fact our own planet and not yours—it was never yours.
Question: Can you tell me your name?
Answer: This is difficult, because your human tongue is not able to pronounce it correctly (and a mispronounciation of our names is very offensive for some of my kind). Our language is very different from yours, but my name is—I will try to say it smoother by use of your human letters—something like “Sssshiaassshakkkassk” with a very very strong pronounciation of the “sh” and “k” sounds. We have no forenames like you but only a single but unique name which is divided and characterised by the way of speaking and which is not given to children (who have an own children-name) but only in a special procedure in the adolescent age at the time of either religious or scientific “enlightenment” or awareness (as you would call it). I would appreciate it if you don’t try to say my real name with your human tongue. Please call me “Lacerta”, this is the name I generally use when I’m among humans and talking with them.
Question: How old are you?
Answer: We do not measure time as you do in astronomical years and in the revolve of the Earth around the Sun, because we usually live beneath the surface of the planet. Our time measurement depends on periodically returning cycles in the Earth’s magnetic field and according to this (and said with your numbers) I’m today—let me calculate—57,653 cycles old. I have reached my adult phase and my awareness 16,337 cycles ago (this is a very important date for us). According to your human time scale I’m around 28 years old.
Question: What is your task? Do you have a “job” like us?
Answer: To say it with your words: I’m a student curious of the social behaviour of your species. That’s why I’m here talking to you, that’s why I have revealed my real nature to E.F. and now to you, and that’s why I give you all that secret information, and why I will try to honestly answer all the questions on your many sheets of paper. I will see how you react, how others of your kind react.
There are so many crazies and liars of your kind on this planet who claim to know the truth about us, about UFOs, about aliens and so on, and some of you believe their lies. I’m interested to see how your species will react if you make the truth (which I will tell you now) public. I’m quite sure everyone of you will refuse to believe my words, but I hope I’m wrong, because you need to understand if you want to survive the coming years.
Question: I’ve read your full statement (which you gave E.F.) about this, but can you give me now just a short answer: are UFOs real flying objects piloted by extraterrestrials or do they belong to your species?
Answer: Some observed UFOs—as you call them—belong to us, but most do not. Most of the “mysterious” flying objects in the sky are not technological devices but mainly misinterpretations of natural phenomena that your scientists have not understood (such as spontaneous plasma flares in the high atmosphere). Nevertheless, some UFOs are real craft belonging either to your own species (especially to your military) or to other alien species, or at last to us (but a minority of sighted craft really belongs to us, because we are generally very careful with our movements in the atmosphere and we have special ways to hide our ships).
If you read a report about a sighting of a metalish bright-gray cigar-shaped cylindrical object with a lenght of, let me say, between 20 and 260 of your metres, and if this object made a very deep humming sound, and if there were 5 bright red lights on the metalish surface of the cigar (one at the top, one in the middle, two at the end) then it’s likely that someone of you have seen one of our ships and this means that it was either partly defect or that someone of us was not careful enough.
We have also a very small fleet of disc-shaped craft, but such UFOs usually belong to an alien species. Triangular UFOs generally belong to your own military but they used foreign technology to build them. If you really want to try to see one of our craft, you should have a look at the skies over the Arctic, over the Antarctic and over Inner Asia (especially over the mountains).
Question: Have you a special symbol or something like that with which we can identify your kind?
Answer: We have two major symbols representing our species. One (the more ancient) symbol is a blue serpent with four white wings on a black background (the colours have religious meanings for us). This symbol was used from certain parts of my society, but it is today very seldom used—you humans have copied it very often in your old writings.
The other symbol is a mystic being that you would call a “Dragon” in the shape of a circle with seven white stars in the middle. This symbol is much more common today. If you see one of those symbols on a cylindrical craft such as I’ve described in my previous answer, or on some underground installation, this thing or place definetely belongs to us (and I would advise you to go away from there as soon as possible).
Question: The seven stars in the second symbol you’ve mentioned—do they mean the Pleiades?
Answer: Pleiades? No. Actually, the seven stars are planets and moons and they are a symbol for our former seven colonies in the solar system. The stars are shown in front of a blue background and the dragon-circle means the shape of Earth. The seven white stars mean Moon, Mars, Venus and 4 moons of Jupiter and Saturn that we had colonised in the past. Two colonies are no longer in use and abandoned, so 5 stars would be more correct.
Question: As you have not allowed me to make photos—which would be very useful to prove your real existence and the truth of this story—can you describe yourself detailed?
Answer: I know that it would be helpful to prove the authenticity of this interview if you can make some photos from me. Otherwise, you humans are very sceptic (that’s good for us and for the real alien species acting secretly on this planet) so even though you had those photos, many of your kind would say that they are fraud, that I’m just a masked human woman or something like that (that would be very offensive for me).
You must understand that I cannot give you permission to make photos of me or of my equipment, and this for various reasons, which I do not want to discuss with you any further. But one of the reasons is the maintenance of secrecy of our existence. Another reason is more religious. Nevertheless, you have permission to make drawings of my look and of my equipment that I can show you later. I can also try to describe myself, but I doubt other people of your kind will be able to imagine my real look just from simple words, because the automatic denial of existence of the reptilian species, and generally of intelligent species other than your own, is part of the programming of your mind. Well, I shall try.
Imagine the body of a normal human woman and you have at first a good imagination of my body. Like you, I have a head, two arms, two hands, two legs and two feet and the proportions of my body are like yours. As I’m female I also have two breasts (despite our reptile origin, we have started to give our babies milk during the evolution process—this happened some 30 million years ago—because this is the best thing to keep the young alive. Evolution had done this for your species already in the dinosaur age and—a little bit later—also for ours. That does not mean that we are now real mammals) but our breasts are not as large as those of a human woman, and their size is generally equal for every female of my kind. The external reproduction organs are for both genders smaller than those of humans, but they are visible and they have the same function as yours (another gift of evolution to our species).
My skin is mainly of a green-beige colour—more pale green—and we have some patterns of brown irregular dots (each dot measuring 1–2 centimetres) on our skin and on our face (the patterns are different for both sexes but females have more of them, especially in the lower body and in the face). In my case, you can see them as two lines over the eyebrows crossing my forehead, on my cheeks and on my chin.
My eyes are a little bit larger than human eyes (for this reason, we see better in the dark) and are usually dominated by the large black pupils, surrounded by a small bright-green iris (males have a dark-green iris). The pupil is slit and can change size from a small black line to a wide-open egg-shaped oval, because our retina is very light-sensitive and the pupil has to match this.
We have external round ears but they are smaller and not so curved as yours, but we can hear better because our ears are more sound-sensitive (we can also hear a wider range of sounds). There’s a muscle or “lid” over the ears which can completely close them (for example under water). Our nose is more pointed and there is a V-shaped curving between the nostrils, which enabled our ancestors to “see” temperature. We have lost most of this ability, but we can still feel temperature much better with this “organ”. Our lips are shaped like yours (those of females are a little bit larger than those of males) but of a pale brown colour, and our teeth are very white and strong and a little bit longer and sharper than your soft mammal teeth. We have no different hair colours like you (but there is a tradition to colour hairs in different ages) and the original colour is—like mine—a greenish brown. Our hair is thicker and stronger than yours and grow very slowly. In additon, the head is the only part of our body where we have hair.
Our body, arms and legs are similar to yours in shape and size, but the colour is different (green-beige, like the face) and there are scale-like structures on the upper legs (over the knee) and upper arms (over the elbow). Our five fingers are a little bit longer and thinner than human fingers and our skin on the palm is plain, we have no lines like you but again a combination of a scale-like skin structure and brown dots (both genders have dots on the palm) and we have no fingerprints like you. If you touch my skin, you will feel that it is smoother then your hairy skin. There are small sharp horns on the upper side of both middle fingers. The fingernails are grey and generally longer than yours. You see that my nails are not so long and round at the top. This is because I’m female. Males have sharp pointed nails with a length of sometimes 5 or 6 of your centimetres. The following feature is very different from your body and part of our reptilian origin: if you touch the backside of my upper body you will feel a hard bony line through my clothing. This is not my spine but a very difficult-shaped external plate-structure of skin and tissue exactly following our spine from head to hip. There is an extremly high number of nerves and large blood vessels in this structure and in the plates (which are two or three centimetres long and very touch-sensitive—this is the reason why we always have problems to sit in chairs with a back like this chair.) The main role of these small plates (beside a role in our sexuality) is simply the regulation of our body temperature and if we sit in natural or artificial sunlight, these plates become more bloodfilled and the vessels become wider; and the sun can heat our reptiloid blood (which circulates through the body and through the plates) several degrees up, and this gives us a great pleasure. What else is different from your kind? Oh, we have no navel, because we were born in a different way than your mammal birth. The other exterior differences from your kind are minor and I think I must not mention all of them now, because most of them are not visible if we wear clothing. I hope the description of my body was detailed enough. I would advice you to make some drawings.
Question: What kind of clothing do you generally wear? I suppose this is not the way you dress normally?
Answer: No, I wear this human every-day-clothing only when I’m among humans. To be honest, it’s not very comfortable for me to wear such tight things and it is always a very unusual feeling. If we are in our own home (this means in our subterranean home) or in our large artificial sun areas and if we are together with other people near to our own name, we are usually naked. Is this shocking for you? When we are in public and together with many others of my species we wear very wide and soft clothing made of thin, light stuff. I have told you that many parts of our bodies are very touch-sensitive, mostly the small backplates, so we can’t feel comfortable in tight clothing because it can hurt us. Man and woman often wear the same kind of clothing, but the colours are different according to gender.
Question: You’ve said “others near to your own name”. Do you mean your family?
Answer: No, not really. You would call it “family” but with this word you mean only those of your kind which belong genetically together like father or mother and child. As I have said earlier we have a very difficult and unique name. Part of the pronounciation of that name is absolutely unique and there is no other being with the same name, but part of this name (the middle part) is pronounced in a way that tell others to which “family” (I must use the word, because you haven’t the right one in your vocabulary) you belong. This does not mean that all people in that group are genetically related to you, because these groups are usually very large and contain between 40 and 70 of us. This group generally includes your genetic relations—except if one of them had decided to leave this group—and your connection with father and mother is often the strongest. It would be too difficult for me to explain our very old social system to you now, since it is very complex and it would take many hours only for the primary things. Maybe we can meet another time and I can give you detailed descriptions of all these things.
Question: Do you have a tail like normal reptiles?
Answer: Do you see one? No, we have no visible tail. If you look at our skeleton, there is only a small rounded bone at the end of our spine behind the pelvis. This is a useless rudiment of our ancestors’ tail, but it is not visible from the outside. Oh, our embryos have tails during the first months of development, but these tails disappear before they are born. A tail only makes sense for a primitive species which tries to walk on two legs and must keep balance with a tail, but our skeleton had changed during evolution and our spine is nearly in the same shape as yours, so we need no tail to stand on two feet.
Question: You said that you were born in a different way to us. Do you lay eggs?
Answer: Yes, but not like your birds or primitive reptiles. Actually, the embryo grows in a protein liquid inside the mother’s womb, but there is also an egg-shaped but very thin chalk hull around it, that fills the whole womb. The embryo inside this hull is completely autonomous from the mother’s body and it has every substance it needs to develop inside this chalk hull. There is also a cord like your navel cord which is connected to a point hidden behind the backplates. When the baby is about to be born, the whole egg is pressed through the vagina covered with a slimy protein substance, and the baby comes out of this soft egg after a few minutes. These two horns on our middle fingers are instinctively used by babies to break through the chalk hull to take their first breath. Our young are not so large as your babies at birth, they are between 30 and 35 of your centimetres long, the egg is some 40 centimetres long (this is because our vagina is smaller than a human one) but we grow to a normal size of 1,60 to 1,80 metres.
Question: What about your body temperature? You’ve said that you enjoy lying in the sun. What is the effect of this on your organism?
Answer: We are no mammals, and as reptiles our body temperature depends on the temperature of our surroundings. If you touch my hand you will maybe feel that it is colder than yours, because our normal body temperature is around 30 to 33 degrees centigrade. If we sit in the sun (especially naked and with our row of small backplates in the sun) our body temperature can rise 8 or 9 degrees up within minutes. This rise causes the production of many enzymes and hormones in our body, in our heart and brain; each organ becomes more active and we then feel very very good. You humans only enjoy to be in the sun but for us this is the greatest pleasure you can imagine (maybe like your sexual excitement). We also enjoy swimming in very warm water or other liquids to raise our body temperature. If we stay in the shadow for a few hours, our temperature returns to 30 to 33 degrees. This can cause no harm to us, but we feel much better in the sun. We have artificial sun-rooms in the underground but this does not feel the same as the real sun for us.
Question: What do you eat?
Answer: Generally various things as you do: meat, fruit, vegetables, special kinds of fungus (from subterranean farms) and other things. We can also eat and digest some substances which are poisonous for you. The main difference between you and us is that we have to eat meat, because our body needs the proteins. We can’t live completely vegetarians like your kind, because our disgestion would stop working and we would die after a few weeks or maybe months without meat. Many of us eat raw meat or other things which would be disgusting for you. Personally, I prefer cooked meat and surface fruits like apples or oranges.
Question: Can you tell me something about the natural history and evolution of your species? How old is your species? Have you evolved from primitive reptiles as mankind has evolved from apes?
Answer: Oh, this is a very long and complex story and it certainly sounds unbelievable to you, but this is the truth. I will try to explain it in short. Around 65 million years ago, many of our unadvanced ancestors from the dinosaur race died in a great global cataclysm. The reason for this destruction was not a natural disaster—an asteroid impact as your scientists falsely believe—but a war between two enemy alien groups that mainly took place in the orbit and high atmosphere of your planet.
According to our limited knowledge about the early days this global war was the first alien war on planet Earth but it was definetely not the last one (and a future war is coming soon, while a “cold war”—as you call it—between alien groups has been ongoing for the last 73 years on your planet).
The opponents in this war 65 million years ago were two advanced alien species, whose names again are unpronounceable for your tongues. I’m able to say them but it would hurt your ears if I told you the names in their orginal way. One race was humanoid like your species (but much older) and was from this universe, from a solar system in the star constellation that you call “Procyon” today on your maps. The other species—abouth which we know not so much—was a reptilian species, but they have nothing to do with our own species, because we have evolved from local saurians without exterior influence (except for the successful manipulation of our own genes by ourselves. More about that later).
The advanced reptilian species did not come from this universe but from a—well, how should I explain it to you? Your scientists have not really understood the true nature of the universe, because your illogical mind is not able to see the easiest things and relies on wrong mathematics and numbers. This is part of the genetic programming of your kind, to which I will come later. Let me say that you are nearly as far away from the understanding of the universe as you were 500 years ago.
To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not from this universe but from another “bubble” in the foam of the omniverse. You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term “dimension” is generally wrong in the way you understand it).
What you should remember is the fact that advanced species are able to “walk” between bubbles by use of—as you would call it—quantum technology and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own species also has advanced mental abilities in comparison to your species, but we are not able to do the “matterstring/bubble” changing without technology, but other species active on this planet are able to do it and this seems like magic to you, as it did to your ancestors.)
Back to our own history: the first species (the humanoids) reached the Earth some 150 years before the reptilians did, and they built colonies on the former continents. There was a large colony on the continent that you call “Antarctica” today, and another one on the continent that you call “Asia” today. These people lived together with animal-like saurians on the planet without problems.
When the advanced reptilian species arrived in this system, the humanoid colonists from “Procyon” tried to communicate peacefully, but they were not sucessful and a global war started within months. You must understand that both species were interested in this young planet, not for its biology and undeveloped species, but for only one reason: raw material, especially copper. To understand this reason, you must know that copper is a very important material for certain advanced species (even today) because it is—together with certain unstable materials—able to produce new stable elements. If you produce a very strong magnetic field that acts, at the right angle, over a flux of strong nuclear radiations, it is possible to create superposed fluctuating fields that overlap, and in the midst of which the fusion of copper with other elements can produce a force field that can be very useful during many technological processes. (But the basis for this is an extremely complex formula that you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of your simple mind).
Both species wanted to have the copper from Planet Earth, and for this reason, they fought a not very long war in space and in orbit. The humanoid species seemed to be successful in the first time, but in the last battle the reptilians decided to use a mighty experimental weapon—a special kind of fusion bomb which should destroy the life forms on the planet but should not harm the valuable raw materials and the copper. The bomb was fired from space and detonated at a point of your planet you call “Central America” today.
As it detonated in the ocean, it produced an unpredictable fusion with hydrogen and the effect was much stronger than the reptilians had expected. A deadly radiation, an over-production of fusion-oxygen, a fall-out of different elements and a “nuclear winter” for nearly 200 years were the results. Most humanoids were killed and the reptilians lost their interest on the planet after some years for (even for us) unknown reasons—maybe because of the radiation.
Planet Earth was on its own again and the animals on the surface died. By the way, one result of the fusionbomb was the fall-out of different elements and materials created in the burning process and one of that materials was Iridium. Your human scientists today see the Iridium concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. That is not true, but how should you know that?
Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter and in the fall-out). Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead within the next 20 years. Some of them—especially those in the oceans—were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had changed.
The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder on Earth than before. Despite the cataclysm, certain species were able to survive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your ancestors), various reptiles like crocodiles… and there was a special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you call Tyrannosaurus.
This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but it was smaller (around 1.50 metres tall) with some humanoid features, a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and disgestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and… most important… with a new and better brain structure. This was our direct ancestor.
There are theories that the radiation from the bomb took part in the mutations of the organism of this new breed, but this is not proven. Nevertheless, this little humanoid-like dinosaur evolved during the following 30 million years (as I have said earlier, a species need generally more time to evolve than you think, if the evolution is not artificially-induced as in your case) from an animal to a more or less thinking being.
These beings were intelligent enough not to die in the next millions of years, because they learned how to change their behaviour, they lived in caves instead of in the cold nature, and they learned how to use stones and branches as the first tools, and how to use the fire as a help to warm them—especially to warm their blood which is very important for our kind to survive.
During the next 20 million years, this species was divided by the nature into 27 sub-species (unfortunately, former reptilian species were prone to divide themselves in a more or less illogical way into sub-species during the evolution process. You can clearly see this in the unnecessarily high number of animal-dinosaur species in earlier times) and there were many (mainly primitive) wars between these sub-species for dominance.
Well, nature was not very friendly to us and as far a we know, from the 27 sub-species 24 were extinguished during primitive wars and in the course of evolution, because their organism and mind were not developed enough to survive and (as main reason) they were not able to change their blood temperature in the right way when the climate changed. 50 million years after the war and after the end of Dinosaurs, only three (now also technological) advanced reptilian species were remaining on this planet together with all the other lower animals. Through natural and artificial crossbreeding this three species were united into one reptilian species and through the invention of genetic manipulations, we were able to “eliminate” the dividing-prone genes in our genetic structure.
According to our history and belief, this was the time when our final reptilian race—as you see me today—was created by means of genetic engineering. This was around 10 million years ago and our evolution nearly stopped at this point (well, in fact, there were a few minor changes in our look towards more humanoid and mammal-like appearance during the recent ages, but we have not divided again into sub-species). You see, we are a very old race in comparison to your kind, which was jumping around as small monkey-like animals in the trees at this time while we invented technology, colonised other planets of this system, built large cities on this planet (which disappeared without a trace in the ages) and engineered our own genes while your genes where still those of animals.
10 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they came down from the trees to the ground (again because of the change of climate, and especially on the so-called African continent). But they evolved very slowly as it is normal for a mammal; and if nothing extraordinary had happened to your kind, we wouldn’t be able to sit here and talk because I would sit in my comfortable modern house and you would sit in your cave clothed with fur and trying to discover the secrets of fire—or you would maybe sit in one of our zoos. But the things had developed differently and you now believe that you are the “crown of creation”; you can sit in the modern house and we must hide and live beneath the surface of the Earth and in remote areas.
Some 1,5 million years ago, another alien species arrived at Earth (it was surprisingly the first species since over 60 million years. This would be more surprising for you if you knew how many different species are here today). The interest of this humanoid species—you call them “Ilojiim” today—was not the raw material and the copper; to our astonishment, it was the unadvanced ape-humanoids. Despite our presence on this planet, the aliens decided to “help” the apes evolve a little bit faster, to use them as some kind of slave-race in coming wars in the future.
The fate of your species was not really important for us, but we didn’t like the presence of the “Ilojiim” on our planet and they didn’t like our presence on their new “galactic zoo” planet; and therefore, your sixth and seventh creation was the reason for a war between us and them. You can read about that war partly in the book you call “Bible”, for example, in a very strange kind of description. The real truth is a very long and difficult story. Should I continue?
Question: No, not now. I’ve taken notes about your history and now I have questions to ask.
Answer: Please do.
Question: First of all, you handle a very large time scale. You claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs, survived the—as you called it—artificial cataclysm and evolved over 40 million years, and that your evolution was completed 10 million years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something to this?
Answer: I understand that this must sound absolutely unbelievable to you, because you are a young and genetically engineered species. Your historical horizon ends at a scale of just a few thousands of years and you think this is right. But it isn’t. This is impossible. Your programmed mind is obviously not able to handle such a large time scale. Our evolution time may seem incredibly long to you, but this in fact is the original way of nature.
Remember, your early mammal ancestors developed together with the dinosaurs and they survived the bomb as we did. They evolved slowly during the next millions of years, and they divided into various species and shapes, some of them larger, some of them smaller. This is the evolution of the body. But what about their mind and intelligence? They were simple animals. The mammals have been evolving for—let us say—150 millions of years, but only in the last 2–3 millions of years were they able to become intelligent and thinking. And within this small period, certain beings like you were created. From the nature? 148 millions of years of time for the evolution of animal-like mammals, 2 millions of years of time for the development of (more or less) intelligent beings like you? Ask yourself: Do you really think this accelerated evolution is natural? Then your species is more ignorant than I thought. We have not evolved wrongly, but you did.
Question: I understand. But I have another question. You’ve mentioned many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years ago. This happened a very long time before your own kind became really intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many things about that “first war”, and about the evolution of your species?
Answer: This is a good question (much better than the previous ones) and I have not explained it properly to you. Our knowledge about the first war completely comes from an ancient artefact, which was found some 16,000 years ago by our archeologists on the continent that you call North America today. There, they found a round plate with a diameter of approximately 47 of your centimetres. The plate was made of an (even for us) unknown magnetic material, and inside the plate there was another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal. This “memory plate” had been manufactured by the last bomb survivers of the human race from “Procyon”, already 65 million years ago, but it was completely intact when we found it.
Our scientists were able to encode the messages and data and therefore we heard, for the first time, of the events which took place in the distant past, and which led to the extinction of dinosaurs. The plate contained detailed descriptions of both species (but more on the humanoids) and of the events and weapons, including the fusion bomb. It also contained a description of the animals and saurians on Earth, including our pre-intelligent ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes from skeletons and from the back-reading and de-encoding of our DNA. You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years. Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.
Question: What happened with both alien species?
Answer: We don’t know exactly. The surviving humanoids on Earth obviously died in the years after the bomb, and neither their kind nor the reptilians ever came back to Earth (as far as we know). Concerning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it was physically impossible for them to return, because the thing between “bubbles” is sometimes in rapid movement. The current theory is that both species had ceased to exist during the millions of years.
Question: You mentioned skeletons of your kind. How can it be, that human scientists haven’t found any trace of you and of your ancestors, if you have really been living for such a long time on this planet? We found many skeletons of primitive dinosaurs, but none of an advanced reptilian being with a larger skull and brain and a hand with a thumb as you have described it before.
Answer: Yes, you have. But your “great” scientists were not able to reconstruct the skeletons complety, because they wanted to reconstruct reptilian animals, not intelligent beings. You would laugh if you knew how many of the (especially small) saurian skeletons in your museums are totally wrong constructions of never-existing beings, because you used many bones which didn’t really belong together, and sometimes you made artificial bones if something was missing because you needed to construct an “animal” saurian.
Many of your scientists are aware of this problem, but they don’t make it public, because they can’t explain it and they claim that the right bones were just missing and their reconstruction is right. Many bones of us were used for Iguanodon reconstructions, for example the hands with the visible thumb (look at an Iguanodon in a museum and you will see that I’m right.)
A scientist in the country you call United States built a nearly correct skeleton of our kind a few years ago, but the local government (which is partly aware of our existence) confiscated the reconstruction. As we are living today (and as we have for thousands of years) nearly completely beneath the surface of the Earth, you will find no cadaver or skeleton of us.
Question: You sometimes speak of underground cities and artificial sunlight. Do you mean something like a “hollow Earth” with this? Is there a second sun inside our planet?
Answer: No, Earth is not really completely hollow and there is no second sun inside. This story is ridiculous and physically impossible (even your species should be intelligent enough not to believe this.) Do you know the amount of mass a sun should have to produce energy and light for a longer time by fusion? Do you really think that there could be a small active sun inside the planet? When I speak of our subterranean home, I mean large cave systems. The caves the you discovered near the surface are tiny in comparison to real caves and huge caverns deeper in the Earth (in a depth of 2,000 to 8,000 of your metres, but connected with many hidden tunnels to the surface or to surface-near caves) and we live in large and advanced cities and colonies inside those caves.
Major sites of ours are beyond the Arctic, the Antarctic, Inner Asia, North America and Australia. If I speak of artificial sunlight in our cities, I don’t mean a real sun, but various technological sources of light (including gravitational sources) which illuminate the caverns and tunnels. There are special cave areas and tunnels with a strong UV light in every city, and we use these places to heat our blood. Furthermore, we also have surface sunplaces in remote areas, especially in America and in Australia.
Question: Where can we find such a surface-near entry to your world?
Answer: Do you really think I will tell you their exact location? If you want to find such an entry, you have to search it by yourself (but I would advise you not to do that). When I came to the surface four days ago, I used an entry approximately 300 of your kilometres North of here, close to a large lake, but I doubt that you would be able to find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the world—more of them are located much further North and East).
A little piece of advice: if you ever find yourself in a narrow cave or in a tunnel or even in something that looks like an artificial mine shaft, and if, the deeper you walk, the smoother the walls appear; and if you can feel unusual warm air streaming from the depth of it; or if you can hear the rushing sound of streaming air in a ventilation or elevator shaft; then, look for a special kind of artificial and smooth wall somewhere in the cave, with a door made of gray metal.
Would you be able to open that door (which I doubt), you would find yourself in an ordinarily round technical room with ventilation systems and elevators towards the depth. This would probably be an entry to our world. If you have reached this point, you should know that we are now definetely aware of your presence. You already are in big trouble if you have entered the round room; but you should look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls. If there are no symbols, or if there are other symbols, you may even be more in trouble than you think, because not every underground installation belongs to our kind. Some new tunnel systems are operated by alien races (including hostile races). My general advice if you find yourself in an underground installation that seems strange to you: run away as fast as you can.
Question: You mentioned earlier that you use the name “Lacerta” when you are among humans, and that you enjoy being in the real sun on the surface of the Earth. But how can you be among humans? You don’t look like us, so anyone will see that you belong to another species. Why have nobody seen and described a being like you, if your kind has already been living, since our “creation”, together with us on the same planet? Can you explain that to me?
Answer: In your primitive past, my kind was worshipped for example in your religious writings such as your Christian Bible. You can find descriptions and even simple drawings of us, and also in the Southern part of the American continent, on various temples. So-called “wise” men from India and from the Asian mountains have described our species many times in writings, together with other “wise” men from the African continent.
I think we are the most mentioned non-human species (maybe beside the “Ilojiim”) in your history. If you don’t believe me, have a look at your history and you will see the truth in my words. Your “great” scientists called the belief in us “superstition”; and the “religions” and the “intelligent” humans of today have forgotten our presence on the surface in the past.
Furthermore, our species is sometimes seen, even today, by human witnesses in its original shape, either on Earth or in our surface-near entries and tunnel systems, but fortunately you and your media didn’t take the reports of such “crazies” seriously (that’s good for us and that’s the reason why we allow those people to see us as we really are).
Some of my species are also in direct contact with human scientists and politicians from the surface, but this is top-secret—as you would call it—and nobody of your public knows anything about it (the purpose of these meetings generally is the upcoming war with and between the alien species, and our assistance in this war). But there is also another explanation to the fact that we can walk among you and that you are not able to recognise us: mimicry.
The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you, but as you have asked, I will expain it. I told you before that we have more advanced mental abilities than your species, and by”more advanced” I mean that we are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child generally communicate with telepathy during the first months) without special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of your brain.
The structure of our brain is a little bit different from yours, and our pituitary gland is larger and more active than yours—especially when we are in sunlight. Our own abilities are very strong in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the mental capacities of the “matterstring/bubble”, which some of the alien species present on this planet possess. I was never very good in those mind things, but we all have these primary abilities and can use them, for example, for our protection or even for attack.
When we are on the surface, and when we meet human beings (even a large group of them—this makes no difference. All of your minds are like one mind) we are able to “touch” their mind and induce in them, via telepathy, the command “See us as one of your kind”; and the weak human mind will accept this order without rejection, and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans. I’ve done this many times, and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special “mimicry image” in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems. I needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but later it worked nearly automatically, and I can even walk among a group of yours, and nobody will recognise what I am.
There is a simple switch (”See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us”) in your consciousness which was placed there by the “Ilojiim” when they created your kind; and we can use this swich to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too). It is easier than you think. When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind). When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal human woman and I remember that he was very much frightened and shocked when I revealed my real appearance to him.
Question: Do you mean that you can really make me believe that I am now talking with an attractive brown-haired human woman instead of a reptilian being like you?
Answer: Probably, but I don’t think so in your special case. When someone expects to see a human woman instead of me, I can do it without problems with his mind (even with large groups) because nobody expects to see a reptile woman. But I have allowed your mind to see me in my original appearance from our first meeting on, and I have never induced something into your mind, so you have already realised that I’m not human. If I would now try to change this, it would probably lead to absolute confusion or to unconsciousness, and I don’t want to harm you. As I have said I’m not very good in these things.
Question: That’s very scary. Can you kill with these abilities?
Answer: Yes, but it’s forbidden. Not meaning that this has not been done in previous times.
Question: Have both genders this abilities?
Question: What about photos? How do you appear on photos?
Answer: This is a silly question. I appear as a reptile being on photos because I can’t have no influence photos, neither on the camera itself, but only on the photographer’s mind. If he or she would develop the film and show the photo to others, they would see me in my original shape. That’s the reason why it is forbidden for our kind to be filmed or photographed, and we must avoid every camera on the surface (that is very difficult and we were filmed sometimes in the past whitout our knowing, especially by certain of your goverments and secret agencies).
Question: What other commands can your kind induce into our minds. Something like “Serve us” or “Obey”?
Answer: This is a strange question again. We are not your enemy (most of us are not) so, why should we do this? To answer your question: it depends on the strength of the human mind, and on the strength of the emitting reptilian. There is no “Serve us” or “Serve me” switch in your mind, so such a command is much more difficult to induce. If the human mind and consciouness is weak and the reptilian inducer is experienced in these things, and stood for a few hours in the sun before he or she tried to do it, then it might probably work for a certain time. There are secret teachings about those things, but I’ve never learned anything about it. I use my primary abilities for mimicry and for communication with my own kind, and sometimes for other private things, but I’ve never used it to harm humans or their mind. I would appreciate it if we can end with this topic here.
Question: One last question: you said earlier that you can hide your UFOs? Do you use the same abilities to do this?
Answer: Yes, but on a technical base. There is a powerful device inside each craft which is able to send an artificial signal to your minds to convince you that you are seeing, either nothing but the sky, or a normal aircraft such as planes instead of our ships. This isn’t used very often, because we avoid the human public when we move in the atmosphere. If you are able to see our “UFOs”, this means that the device is either defective or deactivated for some reason. The camouflage effect didn’t work on photos—to answer in advance this possible question from you—but why should someone make a photo of the sky when they cannot see anything unusual there?
By the way, most of the surface-near entry points to our tunnels are also hidden with such a device, and your kind will generally see a normal cave wall instead of the door. That’s one reason why I’ve said that I doubt that you will be able to find such a secret door to our world (but it did happen a couple of times in the past).
Question: Back to your and our history. You’ve mentioned the race of the “Illojiim” who created our human race. Where did they come from, and how did they look like? What exactly occurred when they arrived? Are they our “God”?
Answer: The “Illojiim” came from this universe, from the solar system you call “Aldebaran” in your maps. They were a very tall humanoid species with usually blond hair and a very white skin (they avoided the sunlight, because it was harmful to their skin and eyes. This was absolutely unbelievable for a sun-loving species like us). They seemed to be intelligent and peaceful at the beginning, and we started a more or less friendly communication with them, but later, they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to evolve the apes into a new breed and we were a disturbing factor for them on their new zoo-planet.
At first, they caught some 10,000 or maybe even 20,000 of your simian ancestors, and they left the planet for some hundred years. When they returned, they were bringing your (now more human) ancestors back. Later, they left the Earth again for some thousands of years, and the primitive pre-humans lived together with us without major problems (they were just afraid of our aircraft and technology). The “Illojiim” had taught their mind and enhanced their brain and their body structure, and they were now able to use tools and fire.
The “Illojiim” returned seven times within 23,000 years, and they accelerated the evolution speed of some members of your kind. You must understand that you are not the first human civilisation on the planet. The first advanced humans (who lived at the same time with less-developed pre-humans, because the “Illojiim” had experimented with different speeds and stages of evolution) with technology and speech existed around 700,000 years ago on this planet (your scientists have not understood this, because they’ve found only the bones of pre-humans and some primitive cave drawings showing advanced humans and flying devices.) This genetically advanced human breed lived together with us, but they avoided contact with my kind, because the “Illojiim” teachers had taught them that we were evil.
Well, after a few centuries the aliens decided to extinguish their first creation, and they accelerated the evolution of a second and better tested series; and so on, until yours. The truth is that your modern human civilisation is not the first one on this planet Earth, but already the seventh one. The buildings of the first breeds are lost, but the fifth civilisation was the one that built the large triangular constructions you call “Egyptian Pyramids” today, some 75,000 years ago (your Egyptians just found those large ancient pyramids in the sand and tried, but not very sucessfully, to build similar constructions); and the sixth civilisation was the one that built the cities whose ruins you can find today beneath the sea in the so-called Bimini area, some 16,000 years ago.
The last creation of the seventh breed—of your series—was made just 8,500 years ago, and this is the only creation that you can remember, and which your religious writings refer to. You rely on archeological and paleontological artefacts which show you a wrong and short past; but how should you know anything about the six civilisations that came before? And if you find evidence of their existence, you deny and misinterpret the facts. This is partly a programming of your mind, and partly pure ignorance. I will only tell you about your own creation in the following, because the six previous mankinds are lost, and therefore, they should be of no concern to you.
There was a long war between us and the “Illojiim”, and also between certain groups amongst the “Illojiim” themselves, because many of them had the opinion that those successive creations of human species on this planet made no real sense. The last battles in this war were fought some 5,000 years ago in orbit and on the surface.
The aliens used powerful sonic weapons to destroy our underground cities, but on the other hand we were able to destroy many of their surface installations and bases in space. The humans of your series were very much frightened when they observed our battles, and they wrote it down under the form of religious myths (their mind was not able to understand what was really going on). The “Illojiim”—who appeared as “gods” for the sixth and seventh breed—told them that it was a war between good and evil, and that they were the good and we were the evil race. This certainly depends on the point of view. This planet was our own before they arrived, and before they started their evolution project with your kind. In my opinion, it was our right to fight for our planet.
Exactly 4,943 years ago—according to your time scale—the Elohim left the planet again for unknown reasons (this is a very important date for us, because many of our historians called it a victory). The fact is that we don’t know what had really happened. The “Illojiim” were gone overnight, they vanished through thin air together with their ships, and we found out that most of their surface installations had been destroyed by them. The humans were on their own and your civilisation was developing. Many of us were in contact with certain (more Southern) tribes of your species in the coming centuries, and we were able to convince some of them that we were not the “Evil” the aliens wanted them to believe. In the time range between 4,900 years ago and today, many other alien species arrived on the planet (some of them used the old teaching and programming of your mind and “played” God for you again) but the “Illojiim” themselves never came back. They had left the planet for a length of some thousand years earlier, so we are now expecting their return some day in the future, either to put an end to their project, or maybe to extinguish the seventh breed also; but we don’t really know what happened to them.
Your current civilisation doesn’t know anything about your real origin, about your real past, about your real world and universe, and you know very little about us and our past. And you know nothing about the things to come in the near future. As long as you do not understand and believe my words—I am telling you the truth because we are not your enemy—there is danger for your species. Your enemies are already here and you have not understood. Open your eyes or you will be in big trouble soon. If you haven’t believed anything of the things I told you before, then you should really believe and remember this.
Question: Why do you think I don’t believe you?
Answer: I have a certain feeling that you don’t believe me, despite the fact that I’m sitting here in front of you. Everything I have told you in the last two hours is the absolute truth about our world.
Question: How many alien species are active on Earth at the moment?
Answer: As far as we know, 14 species. 11 from this universe, 2 from another “bubble”, and 1 very much advanced one coming from a very different plane. Don’t ask me for names, because nearly all are not pronounceable for you, eight of them are not pronounceable even for us. Most of the species—especially the more advanced—are just studying you as animals, and they are not very dangerous for you and for us, and we work together with some of them. But three species are hostile, including the one which was in contact with some of your governments; they exchanged their technology for copper and other important things and they betrayed your kind.
There was and is a “cold war” between two of these hostile races during the last 73 years, and the third species seemed to be the “winner” in this useless struggle. We expect a “hotter” war to come between them and you in the near future (I would say in the next 10 or 20 years from now) and we worry about this possible development.
More recently, there were some rumours about a new, fifteenth species which had arrived on Earth just 3 or 4 years ago, but we don’t know anything about their intentions, and we have not been in contact with them until now. Maybe these rumours are wrong.
Question: What do the hostile alien races want?
Answer: Various raw materials, including copper for their technology, your water (or rather the hydrogen in your water, which is a source of energy in advanced fusion processes) and certain chemical elements in your air.
Furthermore, two of the species are also interested in your body, in your human tissues and blood, because their own genetic structure is defective through bad evolution and radiation (as far as we know), and they need intact strings from your kind and from animals to repair their own genetics again and again, but they are not really able to repair the defects completely because their DNA and your DNA is not fully compatible (my own species is absolutely incompatible with them, so they are not very interested in us) and they try to make more compatible crossbreeds between you and them by use of artificial fertilisations and artificial wombs. We suppose that the coming war between the three races or between you and one or all of them will be fought for raw material, hydrogen, air and DNA.
Question: Is this the reason for the “abductions”?
Answer: Partly, especially when the aliens retrieve ovule and sperm samples from you. Sometimes, the abducters belong to another and more advanced race and they just want to study your body and your mind (which is more interesting for some of them than your solid body) as you would study a primitive animal.
As I have said, three alien species are hostile and this means that they do not care for your fate or for your life; and the people who were “abducted” by them very rarely came back alive. If someone is able to report about an abduction, this means in my opinion that he or she did not meet one of the aggressive species, or that he or she is a very very lucky human to be alive.
Question: You’ve said that there are 14 species active on the Earth. But why did the people who saw alien beings describe so many different and bizarre types of them?
Answer: I think I have already answered this question. As I have said, most of the alien races have much more advanced mind abilities than you or even me (there is just one alien race that completely lacks those abilities). They are able to appear in your mind and memory under whatever shape they want, and this induced “image” has nothing to do with their real appearance. You remember them as normal humans or grey dwarfs, or even extremely bizarre animals because they want you to remember that; or sometimes, they want you to completely forget anything about a meeting with them.
Another example: you may remember for example that you were just in one of your normal human hospitals, and that doctors were examining you, and you do not think further about what happened to you (maybe, until you discover that there is no hospital in the street where you supposed it was) but in fact you were examined by them in one of their laboratories. You can’t rely on your mind in this case.
They appear to you under different shapes to confuse you, and so that the so-called abduction witnesses who are able to remember the events—or who believe they are able to remember—would be ridiculed by the public; and as far as we know, they are sucessful. Believe me, there are only 14 alien species on this planet and only eight of them are abducting humans at the moment (again, as far as we know). In addition, not everyone of your “abductees” is a real abductee, and certain aliens described in their reports are but the product of imagination or lies.
Answer: How can we protect ourselves against this influence on our mind?
Question: I don’t know. I doubt you can, because your mind is like an open book to read and write for nearly every species I know. This is partly the fault of the “Illojiim” themselves, because they (partly intentionally) constructed your mind and your consciousness without real protection mechanisms.
If you are aware that someone is trying to manipulate your mind, you can only concentrate on that suspicion and try to analyse each one of your thoughts and memories. Very important: don’t close your eyes (this would lead to a different form of brain waves which are much easier to access) and don’t sit or lay down to rest.
If you stay awake during the first minutes, you can maybe try to filter the other thoughts and waves in your brain, and the inducer will give up after a few minutes if he or she is not sucessful, because it will start to hurt his or her own brain, or yours. This is very difficult, and certainly painful, and it can harm you, so better don’t try to resist, but this would be the only possibility you have. However, you can try this only with the weaker species, not with the strong ones.
Question: What do you mean with “one species comes from a very different plane”?
Answer: Before I can explain this correctly to you, you must be able to understand the universe, and this, considering the quality of your mind, might prove useless and might take many weeks of teaching; and by teaching I mean not only teaching by words. I have said this with your word “plane” or “level” because you have again no better word in your vocabulary, and the word “dimension” would be in this case absolutely wrong (it’s rather wrong even for another “bubble”) because a dimension cannot exist without planes. If you were a species living in another plane or over the plane, and if furthermore you were able to enter planes without technology so that your body is not made of that kind of matter that you know, then you would be the mightiest being you can imagine.
This very advanced race that I mentioned has developed outside of this place here, and they’ve evolved over billions of years in fact. They might be able to destroy all of you and us and everything with just a single thought. We were in contact with them only 3 times in our whole history, because their interest in your planet is different from the interest of all other races. They are definitely no danger for you or us.
Question: What will happen when the war begins?
Answer: This is difficult to answer. It depends on the enemy races and on their tactics. “War” is not always the primitive thing that you humans mean with this word. “War” can be fought on various levels. One possibility they have is the “destruction” of your social system through influence of political leaders, another is the use of advanced weapon systems which can cause earthquakes or volcanic eruptions or other disasters (including weather disasters) which may seem natural to you.
The special fields created from copper-fusion as I’ve mentioned earlier are able to have an influence on your global weather. I think they will not attack the planet directly before the human civilisation is weakened, because even you have possibilities to destroy their craft (but not many). Let me say that we are not absolutely sure whether there will really be such a “hot” war in the next years or not. I don’t want to talk further about this.
Question: This is the end of the interview. Do you want to say some last sentence or message?
Answer: Open your eyes and see. Don’t believe only your wrong history or your scientists or your policians. Some of them know the truth about various things, but they don’t inform the public to avoid confusion and panic. I think your species is not as bad as some of my kind think, and that it would be a pity to observe your end. That’s everything I can say. Go through your world with open eyes and you will see—or maybe not. Your kind is ignorant.
Question: Do you think anyone will believe that this interview is the truth?
Answer: No, but it is an interesting experiment for my social studies. We will meet again in some months and you will tell me then what have happened after the publication of my message. Maybe there is hope for your kind.
END of the first Lacerta file
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